If an election came down to a very near split, 80,000,001 voters v. 79,999,999, IF that split happened, then nobody would believe the count. And that would probably be true for anything within a half point. In other words, we would need something as a backup to a complete nothing but the votes national system. If it came down to a single…
If an election came down to a very near split, 80,000,001 voters v. 79,999,999, IF that split happened, then nobody would believe the count. And that would probably be true for anything within a half point. In other words, we would need something as a backup to a complete nothing but the votes national system. If it came down to a single vote or even within a half percentage point, we'd be counting and recounting forever.
In 2020, there were concerns about the legitimacy of some votes. Some people felt that the left didn't want to investigate where all the votes at 5:00 am came from. They believed that if the situation had been reversed, the right would have felt the same way. They also felt that the left always gets what they want, while the right gets labeled as racists, xenophobes, and weirdos. The power of large metropolitan cities, which are predominantly held by Democratic leaders, is stronger than many people realize. Even though there may be 30-40% of voters who are moderates or right of center, they feel that their participation in local governments is almost non-existent because they believe it's a hopeless waste of time to try to bring about any change. 80% of Americans live in large urban areas. The space between Philly and Pittsburgh called Alabama has 20% of the population.
While there was no evidence that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, there were (as always) a few fraudulent votes. There are always a few fraudulent votes---usually running roughly 50-50 between the parties. The evidence is overwhelming that Biden won and that it was a fair election.
So much for that. But Charlie of SF Bay shows what can happen if an election is close. People will not believe the result. There will always be suspicions of mistakes in the count and machines breaking down and people prevented from voting. Along those lines consider what happened in the past if in a tight election one side won because there was rain on election day. The rain helped on side and hurt the other. But people accepted that was the result. Would people be so willing to accept the result today? In North Carolina, if the roads are not all fixed by election day would the loser accept a loss?
So consider a national election in which the vote is close. Would the losing side accept it? Would the election be questioned forever? So I suggest that any national popular vote have a backup plan if it is very close, and that backup plan probably would have to be the Electoral College. So, yes, we should have a national popular vote. But let us be realistic. It has not been a close vote for a long time---but it could happen.
People felt concerns, , but upon examination their concerns turned out to be unfounded. Trump lost 50+ court cased and did not convince a single state Secretary of State.
Groundless feelings are still a factor to be considered in real-world politics, but in this case their a factor in a possible insurrection.
Republicans have been talking about voter fraud for 20+ years (Hans von Spakovsky has made a career of it), but without bringing forward cedible evidence of a significant amount of fraud.
If an election came down to a very near split, 80,000,001 voters v. 79,999,999, IF that split happened, then nobody would believe the count. And that would probably be true for anything within a half point. In other words, we would need something as a backup to a complete nothing but the votes national system. If it came down to a single vote or even within a half percentage point, we'd be counting and recounting forever.
In 2020, there were concerns about the legitimacy of some votes. Some people felt that the left didn't want to investigate where all the votes at 5:00 am came from. They believed that if the situation had been reversed, the right would have felt the same way. They also felt that the left always gets what they want, while the right gets labeled as racists, xenophobes, and weirdos. The power of large metropolitan cities, which are predominantly held by Democratic leaders, is stronger than many people realize. Even though there may be 30-40% of voters who are moderates or right of center, they feel that their participation in local governments is almost non-existent because they believe it's a hopeless waste of time to try to bring about any change. 80% of Americans live in large urban areas. The space between Philly and Pittsburgh called Alabama has 20% of the population.
While there was no evidence that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, there were (as always) a few fraudulent votes. There are always a few fraudulent votes---usually running roughly 50-50 between the parties. The evidence is overwhelming that Biden won and that it was a fair election.
So much for that. But Charlie of SF Bay shows what can happen if an election is close. People will not believe the result. There will always be suspicions of mistakes in the count and machines breaking down and people prevented from voting. Along those lines consider what happened in the past if in a tight election one side won because there was rain on election day. The rain helped on side and hurt the other. But people accepted that was the result. Would people be so willing to accept the result today? In North Carolina, if the roads are not all fixed by election day would the loser accept a loss?
So consider a national election in which the vote is close. Would the losing side accept it? Would the election be questioned forever? So I suggest that any national popular vote have a backup plan if it is very close, and that backup plan probably would have to be the Electoral College. So, yes, we should have a national popular vote. But let us be realistic. It has not been a close vote for a long time---but it could happen.
People felt concerns, , but upon examination their concerns turned out to be unfounded. Trump lost 50+ court cased and did not convince a single state Secretary of State.
Groundless feelings are still a factor to be considered in real-world politics, but in this case their a factor in a possible insurrection.
Republicans have been talking about voter fraud for 20+ years (Hans von Spakovsky has made a career of it), but without bringing forward cedible evidence of a significant amount of fraud.
The left always gets what they want like in 2000 when Al Gore was elected president after a recount of Florida votes.