"For most people, the question of 'what kind of safety we want' is a settled one. "
Are you including African-Americans in your definition of "most people"? Because there's a healthy debate within that community about what kind and how much policing they need or want, it's hardly a "settled question."
"For most people, the question of 'what kind of safety we want' is a settled one. "
Are you including African-Americans in your definition of "most people"? Because there's a healthy debate within that community about what kind and how much policing they need or want, it's hardly a "settled question."
To his credit, Adam concedes that defunding/abolishing the police polls badly - and that very much includes the African American community. Whatever the '68 LARPers would have you believe, the desire for order is not false consciousness.
Is that the debate? Whether we should ABOLISH the police? Because the debate I see is how to get the cops under control, how to make sure there are consequences for cops who kill, how police resources in crime-ridden neighborhoods could be redirected into investigating crimes instead of just roaming the streets looking for people to pick up on relatively minor violations. Do you know what the clearance (solved) rate is on murders in Chicago? Could the cops do a better job of investigating murders? Rather than stopping and searching cars on shaky pretexts? And how about redirecting some of the money spent on cops into preventing crime? All things that intelligent people are discussing, whatever someone might have shouted at a protest.
Yes, the police should try harder to solve murders. Stopping and searching cars is one good way to prevent murders in the first place, because it takes illegal guns off of the street. That the presence of police prevents crime in the first place is a well-established fact.
"For most people, the question of 'what kind of safety we want' is a settled one. "
Are you including African-Americans in your definition of "most people"? Because there's a healthy debate within that community about what kind and how much policing they need or want, it's hardly a "settled question."
To his credit, Adam concedes that defunding/abolishing the police polls badly - and that very much includes the African American community. Whatever the '68 LARPers would have you believe, the desire for order is not false consciousness.
Is that the debate? Whether we should ABOLISH the police? Because the debate I see is how to get the cops under control, how to make sure there are consequences for cops who kill, how police resources in crime-ridden neighborhoods could be redirected into investigating crimes instead of just roaming the streets looking for people to pick up on relatively minor violations. Do you know what the clearance (solved) rate is on murders in Chicago? Could the cops do a better job of investigating murders? Rather than stopping and searching cars on shaky pretexts? And how about redirecting some of the money spent on cops into preventing crime? All things that intelligent people are discussing, whatever someone might have shouted at a protest.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html
Yes, the police should try harder to solve murders. Stopping and searching cars is one good way to prevent murders in the first place, because it takes illegal guns off of the street. That the presence of police prevents crime in the first place is a well-established fact.
In case it's helpful https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047235224000357
тАвMost Black Americans want to maintain or increase police patrols.
тАвMost Black Americans want to maintain or increase police spending.
тАвEven if crime declines, most Black Americans want police patrols and spending.
тАвEven absent new reforms, most Black Americans want police patrols and spending.
тАвBlack AmericansтАЩ policing preferences may be firmer than those of other groups.