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D Kitterman's avatar

Perhaps We The People will finally be exhausted and fed up with the hate and scumbaggery currently ablaze in America and ignore the firehose of racist lies and misinformation coming from all sides against Mr. Mamdani. I wish him success, as I am waiting for the world to change.

Kouros's avatar

Norman Finkelstein on Israel, Zohran Mamdani and the coming class war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JADy940qXHY

Norman is more emphatic than all those charts provided by Adam. It is and has been a class war.

But I am very happy with this article by Adam, very happy indeed. He goes explicitly against the long peddled idea that democracy and capitalism go hand in hand. No, it doesn't and never had. Oligarchy/Plutocracy hates democracy and hates and fears tyranny, unless it can co-opt it. A tyranical Trump, that is primus inter pares among plutocrats, that is OK.

US was born as an oligarchy:

On the morning of May 29, 1787, in the Pennsylvania State House in Philadelphia, Edmund Randolph, governor of Virginia, opened the meeting that would become known as the Constitutional Convention by identifying the underlying cause of various problems that the delegates of thirteen states had assembled to solve. “Our chief danger,” Randolph declared, “arises from the democratic parts of our constitutions.” None of the separate states’ constitutions, he said, had established “sufficient checks against the democracy.”

https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/democracy/our-chief-danger

Ken Kovar's avatar

How far we have come!!😎

Jay from NY's avatar

A quibble - Denouncing Israel on 10/8 and making “globalize the intifada” are not sane or reasonable positions. I am quite worried about the plight of the Palestinian people but whitewashing that does them no favors.

Kouros's avatar

Why not? You argue that Gazans should have endured their lot as prisoners, for their children being prisoners, and their children's children being prisoners, all at the whim of Israelis and also subject to intermittent "mowing of the lawn"?

Norman Finkelstein argues the best why Oct 7 is like any other slave revolt, and the violence dished on the slave owners is a result of a lifelong suffering. Also, what we see in the Israel's reaction is that of a slave owner that wants to crush any ideas in the region about revolting ahainst the master.

In this interview Norman talks about the depravity of Israeli behaviour, which in his opinion goes miles beyond what the bureaucratic nazis ever did. And he asks himself, who are more evil? Both his parents were in concentration camps and all his extended family was killed in concentration camps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JADy940qXHY

Jay from NY's avatar

If you view 10/7 as a slave revolt we just are never gonna agree even a little bit. It was a heinous disgusting attack.

Even if you view it as starkly as you do taking a position like this empowers Trump and maga because a position like this gets labeled as the default Dem position.

ingenvector's avatar

Aren't slave revolts heinous disgusting acts but slave revolts nonetheless? From the Servile Wars to the Zanj Rebellion to the Haitian Revolution to Gaza, the insurrections of the oppressed tend to be vengeful and merciless.

Kouros's avatar

I don't care to agree in such things. Jews and then Israelis have been imposing themselves on that land and its inhabitants since 1920s. In 1936, when the Palestinians had enough of disposession and immigrants and revolted, were put down by the British, which together with the Jewish setlers, killed about 25% of fighting men population of Arabs.

And the killing and oppression never stopped. Gaza was an open prison, with all roads controlled by IDF, with no airport allowed to function nor port allowed to function. It was for all intents and purposes a prison from where Israelis could pick bottom cost labour force.

And this is an opinion many American and Israeli Jews confirm.

William Bell's avatar

Anyone who supports Netenyahu is a supporter of MAGA and Trump, the two are linked and support one another unequivocally. Watch as Netenyahu leads Trump ever deeper into wars in the Middle East.

Watch them smear Mamdani as they do everyone who condemns their war-mongering genocide. Hopefully people will stop buying this nonsense and open their eyes to what is really going on.

Feral Finster's avatar

Ever heard of The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising?

Brian's avatar

There's no economic justice in NYC without decolonization in Palestine- our struggles are deeply connected. Zohran articulates this point well and it's a huge reason why he won.

Jay from NY's avatar

I don’t meant to be rude but I honestly can’t figure out if this is satire or not.

Ealdwine's avatar

Can you expand on that?

Ken Kovar's avatar

True. ZM will need to carefully clarify this. But I think that he has not really alienated many Jewish voters, I think enough of them are leftists in NYC and have as much concern for Israel as Palestinians.

Kizazi's avatar

It was already obvious on 10/8 that Israel was about to embark on an exterminationist policy in Gaza. Denouncing Israel on 10/8 (which I don’t think Mamdani did?) is a sign of sophistication.

Feral Finster's avatar

The only ones "whitewashing [the fate of the Palestinian people] are the IDF and their enablers."

Feral Finster's avatar

Settle down. Cuomo will run as an independent in the general for no reason other than to siphon voters away from Mamdani (so much for "Vote Blue No Matter Who!" - that only applies to the candidates approved by the Team D establishment). That and a propaganda blitz the likes of which are rarely seen will ensure that Mamdani will lose. Netanyahu will be free to wander NYC. Muh Democracy Is Saved.

Kouros's avatar

Norman Finkelstein, who lives in NYC is saying that the propaganda is so thick that it is vomit inducing and that few if any is buying it.

Ken Kovar's avatar

Independents have zero chance in the general election buddy....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_New_York_City_mayoral_election

Corrupt Eric kicked everyone else's ass. ZM will have as great a margin if not more. Cuomo is a loser and he knows it And don't worry about your precious Bibinator duuude, ZM is just funnin, ya know,.,.🥹😂

Feral Finster's avatar

Read more carefully what I wrote. Of course Cuomo is not going to win. He is running, ot to win, but to siphon away votes from Mamdani.

Ken Kovar's avatar

He will siphon votes away from Adams not Mamdami. The centrists will cannabalize each other and few voters will pick Cuomo when they already rejected him. I mean some will but not a huge game changing number. The Democrats have a massive advantage in the general election and historically independents have been a non factor. Especially meh ex Democrats like Adams and Cuomo.....

Feral Finster's avatar

I hope you prove correct, but Cuomo knows full well why he is running.

The idea that NYC Team R voters would vote for Cuomo over a republican is dubious, to put it kindly.

Feral Finster's avatar

Also, the reason so many lower income voters voted for Cuomo is simply machine politics.

Mateo's avatar

The subway is mis priced , the only major system that has all in one pricing. London, Singapore, dc charge based on distance. To do so now in nyc would be burden the lower income who live further from the center , so the system remains a constant inefficient one that is importo fix properly

Housing - developing world regulations (if you’d like to build or fix a current building , to even get to the front of the line of bureaucrats you need to hire an “expediter”- ie someone who greases the wheels. Not to mention the very large quantity of people already living in both public housing and rent stabilized/controlled (ie not market rate) apartments numbers near 2 million.

Mr Mamdani has the wrong answers to the right questions but trying to solve them at a city level will lead to corporate flight (it’s happening already as the tax burdens on those waning over 150k$ are already way out of proportion to the fastest growing parts of the U.S.

Not all people earning 200-400k are rich (in Manhattan and fancy Brooklyn they are not even close)

Free buses? City run grocery stores? How about focusing on teaching kids to do basic math first

Ken Kovar's avatar

Having free early child education will do JUST THAT... right????

Newcavendish's avatar

Mamdani's supporters have the right to celebrate; he is an attractive candidate and ran an excellent campaign. But the commentary tends to overlook the fact that this was, for most people, a hold-your-nose election, with no good choices (Mamdani was attractive for style and youth, but his campaign was nothing but unrealistic pandering). Also, it was pretty low turnout (22% if I remember correctly). So care needs to be exercised in what you read into it. The actual election in November is going to be another unhappy choice between three stinkers (the unspeakable Adams; the unattractive and failed Cuomo; the anonymous but probably loathsome Republican) and attractive fantasist Mamdani. He may win; perhaps he should, but we will have to hope that he grows up, learns the fiscal realities of city and state politics, and governs responsibly. The city's tax base is more fragile than the left is willing to admit, and the city's (and state's) finances are already pretty perilous. The subway isn't that bad, Mr. Tooze. There are innumerable problems and precious little resources realistically available on a municipal basis to address them.

FERN MCBRIDE (NYC)'s avatar

Unfortunately, your comment with regard to the primary election for mayor of NYC was lacking in fact: '2025 Elections: Early voting turnout surged across NYC as Democratic mayoral primary race tightens' (amNY) See link below.

'Final early voting data for the 2025 New York City primary election published by the Board of Elections (NYC BOE) shows a massive spike in turnout since 2021 across the five boroughs — particularly in Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan. '

'Manhattan saw 122,642 early voter check-ins between June 14 and June 22, a 102% increase since 2021. In Brooklyn, the NYC BOE counted 142,735 early votes, a 118% increase. Queens saw 75,778 votes for a 114% increase, The Bronx saw 30,816 early voter check-ins, a 50% increase from 2021, and Staten Island saw a 36% increase since 2021 with 12,367 reported check-ins.'

'In total, the NYC BOE counted 384,338 early voting check-ins across the city in nine days of early voting — slightly more than twice the 191,197 check-ins at the end of early voting in the 2021 primaries.'

'The dramatically higher turnout signals an acute increase in early voter engagement in what has been a uniquely competitive primary race. Turnout in 2021 was likely impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic, and the 2021 election saw a spike in mail-in and absentee voting.'

https://www.amny.com/new-york/early-voting-turnout-surge-june-2025-primary/

While I have questioned your guesswork about voter turnout, can you provide a source for your quote '... this was, for most people, a hold-your-nose election, with no good choices...' other than yourself?

Thank you.

FERN MCBRIDE (NYC)'s avatar

You told it Adam Tooze; New York City is 'The real McCoy.'

This is where so many immigrants found a home.

We city rats are as Tooze described and more. We are dancing in the streets, while fighting for our rights and a square deal - affsordable housing, affordable health care, reliable and safe mass transit... and a raise in the minium wage.

Zohran Mamdani brought us to the polls. He listens and speaks for us. We will go to the polls in greater numbers next time and elect Mamdani as the mayor of New York City.

Bo Jangles's avatar

Most people in US politics seem to find the fact of who backs progressivism inconvenient. Progressives would like to have the backing of the ultra-poor, while conservatives want them to all be champagne socialists and trust fund kids. But the reality seems to be that, while both groups are represented, progressivism is at its core based in a shrinking and struggling middle-income bracket. People who 1. feel cheated out of the 'American Dream' and 2. are primed for political activity (energetic and often college-educated, middle-class values and such).

You can see this in the progressive political platform. A vow to universalize programs is an upward expansion of the welfare state to groups that feel insecure but are above the means-tests for existing programs and vouchers. Universal childcare especially is a policy proposal that seems perfectly crafted for yuppies (non-derogatory, purely descriptive).

Stefan Frischauf's avatar

Thanks a lot for this accurate analysis. NYC and its myths: have been there first time when visiting family in VA, close to DC in fall 2023. Its myths: many friends from here lived and worked at NYC for some years, when they were kids, to say it with Patty Smith. They appreciated team spirit there also in highly competitive creative processes.

Smeer campaigns by the rich and ignorant and arrogant elites: I wonder, what will happen. Mike Davis before the first Obama term also told his scholars to vote for Obama and then immediately protest against him. NYC as a city, as THAT city is a different playground than a whole vast and wide nation. Mr. Mamdani: if he becomes mayor, this would also be a strong signal towards the white house dweller and his epigones and courtiers. We'll see. Time for change anyway.

Mike Meek's avatar

Mamdani is a great candidate but the rent control proposal could be a disaster and hurt the people most in need of help.

NYT had a story discussing how the landlords who have the highest percentage of distressed mortgages are the ones who have the highest percentage of rent stabilized apartments in their buildings.

They cannot recover all the increase in their costs due to the Rent Guideline’s board rent increases.

So you would have the situation where market rate landlords raking it in while those serving the poor are abandoning their buildings.

And part of the win is driven by a dislike of Cuomo, who is one of those rare people who, the more you get to know him, the more you dislike him.

James F. Lavin's avatar

Mr. Tooze, can you please explain Mr. Mamdani’s “obviously correct position on the Israel-Gaza conflict”. His strong and long term support for the Hamas death cult dedicated to Jewish destruction? His direct calls to “Globalize the Intafada” which surely even you know is a call for the death of all Jews globally. Or his claim to genocide—-you are a data guy, where is that data? Less deaths after more than 500 days than a couple months in Ukraine?, a population which until Hamas’s attack was one of the fastest growing in the world? Or your data sources—you trust Hamas. Every comment you have made about Gaza has been anti-Israel. What is your solution since you claim to know the correct answers? Your comments in Israel are uniformed and ill founded and they diminish you. Stick to facts. And data.

Kizazi's avatar

Reading comments from Zios is like walking into an insane asylum.

Linda Weide's avatar

My political book club is reading "Invisible Doctrine: The Secret History of Neoliberalism" by George Monbiot and Peter Hutchinson. It explains the economic brainwashing of those who came up with neoliberal economics and how we were brainwashed to accept it, which would be an economic that creates the inequitable distribution of wealth in the US, and in places like New York.

All the friends I have had who lived in New York City and moved back to Chicago, improved their mental health because the pace in Chicago is so much slower. When I taught for a year in a Caribbean country you could always tell the body language of people who came from the States because they would be turning around to look if anyone got too close to them. When New Yorkers came, that was even more exaggerated than the rest of us. It was also hard for the New Yorkers to slow down on an island that had a different pace than NYC.

Recently, when I was in Berlin, we decided to go out to eat dinner at around10:30 at night and found a wonderful Italian restaurant, and were there until around 12:30, something I could not do in the German city in which I live now, I was reminded of New York city, in that it does not seem to sleep. Of course I have always found he desparity in any city between the wealthy and the poor shocking, and was very excited about the Mamdani candidacy, let alone his win against the disgusting Cuomo, who was backed by Democratic establishment, which also pushes neoliberal policies. In terms of economic philosophy the neoliberals have pushed their ideas on both parties and they have become mainstream.

I wish him all the best. He represents the ideas that the democratic party should be coming up with that would represent real change. Change we need to make the US liveable for more. Change that is the opposite of what Trump is offering with his neoliberal take from the poor to give to the rich politics. I hope more democratic candidates follow in Mamdani's footsteps. It is what is needed to put democracy on safer footing.

Ken Kovar's avatar

New York State has to be part of the solution. Mamdani was a state assemblyman they need more like him in power to reduce this dangerous inequality. And the state of the cities infrastructure and affordable housing calls out for ideas from the excellent book Abundance by Klein and Thompson

Geraldo1's avatar

Very interesting statistics.

jbnn's avatar

'It is striking that he did less well in predominantly black neighborhoods of the city, which also, in many cases, are lower-income precincts'

'Striking'...

Really?

Striking?

How strikingly English, this avoiding the hot potato, by someone who at least seems a semi convert (the full converts reside over at Jacobin).

But what do black Americans remember from these wealthy socialist boys & girls? (Mamdani's 'work experience' is a project for mommy...).

50 Cent (sic) is here to explain: '50 Cent Blasts Zohran Mamdani's Idea To 'Defund The Police'.

You'd figure that Champagne Zohran c.s. by now would have had an opportunity to inform themselves about the price their beloved poor paid when other progressive cities defunded their police...